Discussion:
Damour Victims 1/21/1976
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Bachir Hay Fina
2005-01-22 18:53:35 UTC
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- January 20 - 23, 1976 - The Christian towns of Damour and Jiyyeh, in
Shouf, were massacred. The majority of the victims were women, children and
elderly people. The elderly were laid down side by side for a quicker
execution. Women and girls were raped and killed inside the church. Newborns
were ripped apart. Children were decapitated with hatchets. Houses were
burnt down. The Palestinians and the Syrians under Zouheir Mohsen's command,
Chief of Saika, executed this Genocide.


The Victims and Martyrs' names of Damour: (incomplete)

1. Georges Nakhleh Assaad
2. Walid Chaker El Asmar
3. Toufic Maroun El Asmar
4. Gerges Toufic El Asmar
5. Elham Gerges El asmar
6. Maroun Toufic El Asmar
7. Youssef Massoud Kesserwani
8. Nasr Tanios Nasr
9. Adib Youssef Nasr
10. Halim Youssef Nicolas
11. Tanios Abdah Chahine
12. Iskandar Youssef Abi Fayssal
13. Elias Khalil El Husseiny
14. Elias Farid El Ghaziry
15. Elias Youssef Al Boustany
16. Bassam Habib Abi Haidar
17. Gerges Said El Azzi
18. Gerges Moawad El Azzi
19. Khalil Toufic El Azzi
20. Charbel Elias El Azzi
21. Tanios Dib Chalhoub
22. Tony Ayoub Eid
23. Ghazi Wadih El Ghorayeb
24. Louis Gerges Bouery
25. Michel Elias Salem
26. Michel Habib Abu Merhe
27. Milad Selim El Asmar
28. Wardeh Gerges Lahad
29. Wadih Elias Abu Haidar
30. Nahia Wadih Abu Haidar
31. Najla Elias Abu Haidar
32. Nada Joseph Rizk
33. Micheline Tanios Chahine
34. Milad Maroun Rizk
35. Milia Abu Abssi
36. Youssef Harfoush
37. Habib Elias Cannaan
38. Hassan Ephrem Aoun
39. Hssaybeh Farid Abou Abdallah
40. Youssef Michael Andraos
41. Youssef Mansour Aoun
42. Elias Youssef Aoun
43. Maroun Gerges El Hashem
44. Marcel Tanios Chahine
45. Moussa Elias Aoun
46. Hanna Amine Aoun
47. Hanneh Neeman Abou Nasr
48. Hanineh Wadih Chahine
49. Sami Lahoud Abou Serhal
50. SabeY Gerges El Chouery
51. Souad Antoine El Khoury
52. Souad Antoine Aoun
53. Salma Rizk
54. Seniora Daoud Nasr
55. Suzane Tanios Chahine
56. Saydet Gerges Sadek
57. Chadi Farid Abou Abdallah
58. Shehade Youssef Abou Serhal
59. Chafic Youssef Aoun
60. Sofia Abou Haidar
61. Sofia Selim El Azzi
62. Tanios Farid Abou Abdallah
63. New Born W. Abou Haidar
64. May Elias Abou Haidar
65. Michel Gergi El Ghorayeb
66. Elias Gerges El Ghorayeb
67. Hala Akl
68. Michel Attallah
69. Michel Maroun Rizk
70. Michel Naaman Cannaan
71. Michel Youssef Salem
72. Francis Elias Dagher
73. Farida bou Fayssal
74. Farida Lahad
75. Farida Abdallah El Azzi
76. Fadia Sami Rizk
77. Kamil Sami Rizk
78. Tanios Zeidan
79. Boutros Ghanymeh
80. Tony Geryes El Azzi
81. Elias El Azzi
82. Elias Khalil Demiane
83. Fares Moawad
84. Iskandar Romanos Sherfan
85. Naiim Selim Berdkan
86. Mrs. Youssef El Khoury
87. Elias Selim Bou Fayssal
88. Elias Selim Saleh
89. Elias moussa Aoun
90. Enwan Moussa Aoun
91. Elias khalil El Hashem
92. Emile Youssef El Khoury
93. Elie Youssef El Khoury
94. Boutros Selim El Azzi
95. Georges Selim El Azzi
96. Georges Abdeh Saroufim
97. Georgette Louis El Bouery
98. Joseph SabeY Saab
99. Josepf Farid Abou Abdallah
100. Boutros Najm Abou Abdallah
101. Boulos Youssef Akl
102. Pierre Joseph Rizk
103. Therese Gerges Sadek
104. Gerges Tanios Sadek
105. Toufic Saiid Andraos
106. Gerges Elias Lahad
107. Emile Youssef Boutros
108. Amine Farhat Rizk
109. Ennaam Selim Eid
110. Eugenie Rashid El Metni
111. Gergi Youssef El Metni
112. George Sami Rizk
113. Abdeh Gerges Aoun
114. Afifa Chaaya
115. Afifa Metni
116. Ammeh Youssef Aoun
117. Amoun Michel Ghorayeb
118. Khalil Ghanimeh
119. Milad El Asmar
120. Maroun Hashem
121. Habib Cannaan
122. Saiid Habib Cannaan
123. Saada Cannaan
124. Ghada Saiid Cannaan
125. Habib Saiid Cannaan
126. Ghassan Saiid Cannaan
127. Youssef Saiid Cannaan
128. Gergi Metni
129. Aziz Youssef El Metni
130. Tony Michel Azar (8 years old)

The Victims and Martyrs' names of Jiyyeh: (incomplete)

1. Hassan Eid El Azzi
2. George Eid El Azzi
3. Tanios Youssef El Boustani
4. Elias Abdallah El Boustany
5. Chafic Farid El Azzi
6. Rahil Dib
7. Elias Assaad Massoud El Azzi
8. Jamil Gerges Hatem
9. Youssef Sleiman Amine El Azzi
10. Karam Tanios El Azzi
11. Tannous Saad El Azzi
12. Mariam El Azzi
13. Marguerite El Azzi
14. Suzanne Nakhleh
15. Tarizeh El Azzi
16. Maurice Michael El Azzi
17. Rizk Roukoz
18. Akl Razzouk
Reem
2005-01-23 01:50:37 UTC
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how sad it is for innocent Lebanese to have such a fate?

....but ...

when will you also be listing the names of the innocent Lebanese and
Palestinians who were butchered by your gangster club of thugs (so called
Lebanese Forces)?.....and don't forget the countless names of innocent
civilians massacred by the cronies of your new ally (boss) Walid Jublattian?

Make sure not to forget the 72 Christian Maronites (mostly from the 3azar
family) that were "slaughtered" by the evil devil Bashir's Jemayel in
3ayntoura just because they refused to join his thuggish sectarian militia?

Reem Hanna
Post by Bachir Hay Fina
- January 20 - 23, 1976 - The Christian towns of Damour and Jiyyeh, in
Shouf, were massacred. The majority of the victims were women, children and
elderly people. The elderly were laid down side by side for a quicker
execution. Women and girls were raped and killed inside the church. Newborns
were ripped apart. Children were decapitated with hatchets. Houses were
burnt down. The Palestinians and the Syrians under Zouheir Mohsen's command,
Chief of Saika, executed this Genocide.
The Victims and Martyrs' names of Damour: (incomplete)
1. Georges Nakhleh Assaad
2. Walid Chaker El Asmar
3. Toufic Maroun El Asmar
4. Gerges Toufic El Asmar
5. Elham Gerges El asmar
6. Maroun Toufic El Asmar
7. Youssef Massoud Kesserwani
8. Nasr Tanios Nasr
9. Adib Youssef Nasr
10. Halim Youssef Nicolas
11. Tanios Abdah Chahine
12. Iskandar Youssef Abi Fayssal
13. Elias Khalil El Husseiny
14. Elias Farid El Ghaziry
15. Elias Youssef Al Boustany
16. Bassam Habib Abi Haidar
17. Gerges Said El Azzi
18. Gerges Moawad El Azzi
19. Khalil Toufic El Azzi
20. Charbel Elias El Azzi
21. Tanios Dib Chalhoub
22. Tony Ayoub Eid
23. Ghazi Wadih El Ghorayeb
24. Louis Gerges Bouery
25. Michel Elias Salem
26. Michel Habib Abu Merhe
27. Milad Selim El Asmar
28. Wardeh Gerges Lahad
29. Wadih Elias Abu Haidar
30. Nahia Wadih Abu Haidar
31. Najla Elias Abu Haidar
32. Nada Joseph Rizk
33. Micheline Tanios Chahine
34. Milad Maroun Rizk
35. Milia Abu Abssi
36. Youssef Harfoush
37. Habib Elias Cannaan
38. Hassan Ephrem Aoun
39. Hssaybeh Farid Abou Abdallah
40. Youssef Michael Andraos
41. Youssef Mansour Aoun
42. Elias Youssef Aoun
43. Maroun Gerges El Hashem
44. Marcel Tanios Chahine
45. Moussa Elias Aoun
46. Hanna Amine Aoun
47. Hanneh Neeman Abou Nasr
48. Hanineh Wadih Chahine
49. Sami Lahoud Abou Serhal
50. SabeY Gerges El Chouery
51. Souad Antoine El Khoury
52. Souad Antoine Aoun
53. Salma Rizk
54. Seniora Daoud Nasr
55. Suzane Tanios Chahine
56. Saydet Gerges Sadek
57. Chadi Farid Abou Abdallah
58. Shehade Youssef Abou Serhal
59. Chafic Youssef Aoun
60. Sofia Abou Haidar
61. Sofia Selim El Azzi
62. Tanios Farid Abou Abdallah
63. New Born W. Abou Haidar
64. May Elias Abou Haidar
65. Michel Gergi El Ghorayeb
66. Elias Gerges El Ghorayeb
67. Hala Akl
68. Michel Attallah
69. Michel Maroun Rizk
70. Michel Naaman Cannaan
71. Michel Youssef Salem
72. Francis Elias Dagher
73. Farida bou Fayssal
74. Farida Lahad
75. Farida Abdallah El Azzi
76. Fadia Sami Rizk
77. Kamil Sami Rizk
78. Tanios Zeidan
79. Boutros Ghanymeh
80. Tony Geryes El Azzi
81. Elias El Azzi
82. Elias Khalil Demiane
83. Fares Moawad
84. Iskandar Romanos Sherfan
85. Naiim Selim Berdkan
86. Mrs. Youssef El Khoury
87. Elias Selim Bou Fayssal
88. Elias Selim Saleh
89. Elias moussa Aoun
90. Enwan Moussa Aoun
91. Elias khalil El Hashem
92. Emile Youssef El Khoury
93. Elie Youssef El Khoury
94. Boutros Selim El Azzi
95. Georges Selim El Azzi
96. Georges Abdeh Saroufim
97. Georgette Louis El Bouery
98. Joseph SabeY Saab
99. Josepf Farid Abou Abdallah
100. Boutros Najm Abou Abdallah
101. Boulos Youssef Akl
102. Pierre Joseph Rizk
103. Therese Gerges Sadek
104. Gerges Tanios Sadek
105. Toufic Saiid Andraos
106. Gerges Elias Lahad
107. Emile Youssef Boutros
108. Amine Farhat Rizk
109. Ennaam Selim Eid
110. Eugenie Rashid El Metni
111. Gergi Youssef El Metni
112. George Sami Rizk
113. Abdeh Gerges Aoun
114. Afifa Chaaya
115. Afifa Metni
116. Ammeh Youssef Aoun
117. Amoun Michel Ghorayeb
118. Khalil Ghanimeh
119. Milad El Asmar
120. Maroun Hashem
121. Habib Cannaan
122. Saiid Habib Cannaan
123. Saada Cannaan
124. Ghada Saiid Cannaan
125. Habib Saiid Cannaan
126. Ghassan Saiid Cannaan
127. Youssef Saiid Cannaan
128. Gergi Metni
129. Aziz Youssef El Metni
130. Tony Michel Azar (8 years old)
The Victims and Martyrs' names of Jiyyeh: (incomplete)
1. Hassan Eid El Azzi
2. George Eid El Azzi
3. Tanios Youssef El Boustani
4. Elias Abdallah El Boustany
5. Chafic Farid El Azzi
6. Rahil Dib
7. Elias Assaad Massoud El Azzi
8. Jamil Gerges Hatem
9. Youssef Sleiman Amine El Azzi
10. Karam Tanios El Azzi
11. Tannous Saad El Azzi
12. Mariam El Azzi
13. Marguerite El Azzi
14. Suzanne Nakhleh
15. Tarizeh El Azzi
16. Maurice Michael El Azzi
17. Rizk Roukoz
18. Akl Razzouk
Joseph Mouhanna
2005-01-23 01:52:32 UTC
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It was bitter cold, and rain was pouring in buckets when the small fishing
boats (flouka) starting arriving in Batroun after midnight, carrying
survivors of the Damour massacre with nothing but the clothes on their
backs, barely alive having survived the trip in the middle of a nasty winter
storm, and knowing nothing about friends and relatives they left behind.
BTW, it wasn't Syrians, it was Arafat and your pal Jumblat who were
responsible. For Jumblat to deny responsibility is a complete re-write of
history. He was the glue that kept the so-called National Movement going,
and he was the master of ceremonies.

May they rest in peace, and may their memory not be *whored* in the name of
the alliance *du jour*.
Post by Bachir Hay Fina
- January 20 - 23, 1976 - The Christian towns of Damour and Jiyyeh, in
Shouf, were massacred. The majority of the victims were women, children and
elderly people. The elderly were laid down side by side for a quicker
execution. Women and girls were raped and killed inside the church.
Newborns were ripped apart. Children were decapitated with hatchets. Houses
were burnt down. The Palestinians and the Syrians under Zouheir Mohsen's
command, Chief of Saika, executed this Genocide.
The Victims and Martyrs' names of Damour: (incomplete)
1. Georges Nakhleh Assaad
2. Walid Chaker El Asmar
3. Toufic Maroun El Asmar
4. Gerges Toufic El Asmar
5. Elham Gerges El asmar
6. Maroun Toufic El Asmar
7. Youssef Massoud Kesserwani
8. Nasr Tanios Nasr
9. Adib Youssef Nasr
10. Halim Youssef Nicolas
11. Tanios Abdah Chahine
12. Iskandar Youssef Abi Fayssal
13. Elias Khalil El Husseiny
14. Elias Farid El Ghaziry
15. Elias Youssef Al Boustany
16. Bassam Habib Abi Haidar
17. Gerges Said El Azzi
18. Gerges Moawad El Azzi
19. Khalil Toufic El Azzi
20. Charbel Elias El Azzi
21. Tanios Dib Chalhoub
22. Tony Ayoub Eid
23. Ghazi Wadih El Ghorayeb
24. Louis Gerges Bouery
25. Michel Elias Salem
26. Michel Habib Abu Merhe
27. Milad Selim El Asmar
28. Wardeh Gerges Lahad
29. Wadih Elias Abu Haidar
30. Nahia Wadih Abu Haidar
31. Najla Elias Abu Haidar
32. Nada Joseph Rizk
33. Micheline Tanios Chahine
34. Milad Maroun Rizk
35. Milia Abu Abssi
36. Youssef Harfoush
37. Habib Elias Cannaan
38. Hassan Ephrem Aoun
39. Hssaybeh Farid Abou Abdallah
40. Youssef Michael Andraos
41. Youssef Mansour Aoun
42. Elias Youssef Aoun
43. Maroun Gerges El Hashem
44. Marcel Tanios Chahine
45. Moussa Elias Aoun
46. Hanna Amine Aoun
47. Hanneh Neeman Abou Nasr
48. Hanineh Wadih Chahine
49. Sami Lahoud Abou Serhal
50. SabeY Gerges El Chouery
51. Souad Antoine El Khoury
52. Souad Antoine Aoun
53. Salma Rizk
54. Seniora Daoud Nasr
55. Suzane Tanios Chahine
56. Saydet Gerges Sadek
57. Chadi Farid Abou Abdallah
58. Shehade Youssef Abou Serhal
59. Chafic Youssef Aoun
60. Sofia Abou Haidar
61. Sofia Selim El Azzi
62. Tanios Farid Abou Abdallah
63. New Born W. Abou Haidar
64. May Elias Abou Haidar
65. Michel Gergi El Ghorayeb
66. Elias Gerges El Ghorayeb
67. Hala Akl
68. Michel Attallah
69. Michel Maroun Rizk
70. Michel Naaman Cannaan
71. Michel Youssef Salem
72. Francis Elias Dagher
73. Farida bou Fayssal
74. Farida Lahad
75. Farida Abdallah El Azzi
76. Fadia Sami Rizk
77. Kamil Sami Rizk
78. Tanios Zeidan
79. Boutros Ghanymeh
80. Tony Geryes El Azzi
81. Elias El Azzi
82. Elias Khalil Demiane
83. Fares Moawad
84. Iskandar Romanos Sherfan
85. Naiim Selim Berdkan
86. Mrs. Youssef El Khoury
87. Elias Selim Bou Fayssal
88. Elias Selim Saleh
89. Elias moussa Aoun
90. Enwan Moussa Aoun
91. Elias khalil El Hashem
92. Emile Youssef El Khoury
93. Elie Youssef El Khoury
94. Boutros Selim El Azzi
95. Georges Selim El Azzi
96. Georges Abdeh Saroufim
97. Georgette Louis El Bouery
98. Joseph SabeY Saab
99. Josepf Farid Abou Abdallah
100. Boutros Najm Abou Abdallah
101. Boulos Youssef Akl
102. Pierre Joseph Rizk
103. Therese Gerges Sadek
104. Gerges Tanios Sadek
105. Toufic Saiid Andraos
106. Gerges Elias Lahad
107. Emile Youssef Boutros
108. Amine Farhat Rizk
109. Ennaam Selim Eid
110. Eugenie Rashid El Metni
111. Gergi Youssef El Metni
112. George Sami Rizk
113. Abdeh Gerges Aoun
114. Afifa Chaaya
115. Afifa Metni
116. Ammeh Youssef Aoun
117. Amoun Michel Ghorayeb
118. Khalil Ghanimeh
119. Milad El Asmar
120. Maroun Hashem
121. Habib Cannaan
122. Saiid Habib Cannaan
123. Saada Cannaan
124. Ghada Saiid Cannaan
125. Habib Saiid Cannaan
126. Ghassan Saiid Cannaan
127. Youssef Saiid Cannaan
128. Gergi Metni
129. Aziz Youssef El Metni
130. Tony Michel Azar (8 years old)
The Victims and Martyrs' names of Jiyyeh: (incomplete)
1. Hassan Eid El Azzi
2. George Eid El Azzi
3. Tanios Youssef El Boustani
4. Elias Abdallah El Boustany
5. Chafic Farid El Azzi
6. Rahil Dib
7. Elias Assaad Massoud El Azzi
8. Jamil Gerges Hatem
9. Youssef Sleiman Amine El Azzi
10. Karam Tanios El Azzi
11. Tannous Saad El Azzi
12. Mariam El Azzi
13. Marguerite El Azzi
14. Suzanne Nakhleh
15. Tarizeh El Azzi
16. Maurice Michael El Azzi
17. Rizk Roukoz
18. Akl Razzouk
Bachir Hay Fina
2005-01-24 17:39:55 UTC
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The Syrians were involved, via Al Saaika.

Joe I Forgive my Lebanese Brothers, but not cowards of the ssnp who cry for
Palestine, yet dance in joy when Syria kills Lebanese.
Post by Joseph Mouhanna
It was bitter cold, and rain was pouring in buckets when the small fishing
boats (flouka) starting arriving in Batroun after midnight, carrying
survivors of the Damour massacre with nothing but the clothes on their
backs, barely alive having survived the trip in the middle of a nasty
winter storm, and knowing nothing about friends and relatives they left
behind. BTW, it wasn't Syrians, it was Arafat and your pal Jumblat who
were responsible. For Jumblat to deny responsibility is a complete
re-write of history. He was the glue that kept the so-called National
Movement going, and he was the master of ceremonies.
May they rest in peace, and may their memory not be *whored* in the name
of the alliance *du jour*.
Post by Bachir Hay Fina
- January 20 - 23, 1976 - The Christian towns of Damour and Jiyyeh, in
Shouf, were massacred. The majority of the victims were women, children
and elderly people. The elderly were laid down side by side for a quicker
execution. Women and girls were raped and killed inside the church.
Newborns were ripped apart. Children were decapitated with hatchets.
Houses were burnt down. The Palestinians and the Syrians under Zouheir
Mohsen's command, Chief of Saika, executed this Genocide.
The Victims and Martyrs' names of Damour: (incomplete)
1. Georges Nakhleh Assaad
2. Walid Chaker El Asmar
3. Toufic Maroun El Asmar
4. Gerges Toufic El Asmar
5. Elham Gerges El asmar
6. Maroun Toufic El Asmar
7. Youssef Massoud Kesserwani
8. Nasr Tanios Nasr
9. Adib Youssef Nasr
10. Halim Youssef Nicolas
11. Tanios Abdah Chahine
12. Iskandar Youssef Abi Fayssal
13. Elias Khalil El Husseiny
14. Elias Farid El Ghaziry
15. Elias Youssef Al Boustany
16. Bassam Habib Abi Haidar
17. Gerges Said El Azzi
18. Gerges Moawad El Azzi
19. Khalil Toufic El Azzi
20. Charbel Elias El Azzi
21. Tanios Dib Chalhoub
22. Tony Ayoub Eid
23. Ghazi Wadih El Ghorayeb
24. Louis Gerges Bouery
25. Michel Elias Salem
26. Michel Habib Abu Merhe
27. Milad Selim El Asmar
28. Wardeh Gerges Lahad
29. Wadih Elias Abu Haidar
30. Nahia Wadih Abu Haidar
31. Najla Elias Abu Haidar
32. Nada Joseph Rizk
33. Micheline Tanios Chahine
34. Milad Maroun Rizk
35. Milia Abu Abssi
36. Youssef Harfoush
37. Habib Elias Cannaan
38. Hassan Ephrem Aoun
39. Hssaybeh Farid Abou Abdallah
40. Youssef Michael Andraos
41. Youssef Mansour Aoun
42. Elias Youssef Aoun
43. Maroun Gerges El Hashem
44. Marcel Tanios Chahine
45. Moussa Elias Aoun
46. Hanna Amine Aoun
47. Hanneh Neeman Abou Nasr
48. Hanineh Wadih Chahine
49. Sami Lahoud Abou Serhal
50. SabeY Gerges El Chouery
51. Souad Antoine El Khoury
52. Souad Antoine Aoun
53. Salma Rizk
54. Seniora Daoud Nasr
55. Suzane Tanios Chahine
56. Saydet Gerges Sadek
57. Chadi Farid Abou Abdallah
58. Shehade Youssef Abou Serhal
59. Chafic Youssef Aoun
60. Sofia Abou Haidar
61. Sofia Selim El Azzi
62. Tanios Farid Abou Abdallah
63. New Born W. Abou Haidar
64. May Elias Abou Haidar
65. Michel Gergi El Ghorayeb
66. Elias Gerges El Ghorayeb
67. Hala Akl
68. Michel Attallah
69. Michel Maroun Rizk
70. Michel Naaman Cannaan
71. Michel Youssef Salem
72. Francis Elias Dagher
73. Farida bou Fayssal
74. Farida Lahad
75. Farida Abdallah El Azzi
76. Fadia Sami Rizk
77. Kamil Sami Rizk
78. Tanios Zeidan
79. Boutros Ghanymeh
80. Tony Geryes El Azzi
81. Elias El Azzi
82. Elias Khalil Demiane
83. Fares Moawad
84. Iskandar Romanos Sherfan
85. Naiim Selim Berdkan
86. Mrs. Youssef El Khoury
87. Elias Selim Bou Fayssal
88. Elias Selim Saleh
89. Elias moussa Aoun
90. Enwan Moussa Aoun
91. Elias khalil El Hashem
92. Emile Youssef El Khoury
93. Elie Youssef El Khoury
94. Boutros Selim El Azzi
95. Georges Selim El Azzi
96. Georges Abdeh Saroufim
97. Georgette Louis El Bouery
98. Joseph SabeY Saab
99. Josepf Farid Abou Abdallah
100. Boutros Najm Abou Abdallah
101. Boulos Youssef Akl
102. Pierre Joseph Rizk
103. Therese Gerges Sadek
104. Gerges Tanios Sadek
105. Toufic Saiid Andraos
106. Gerges Elias Lahad
107. Emile Youssef Boutros
108. Amine Farhat Rizk
109. Ennaam Selim Eid
110. Eugenie Rashid El Metni
111. Gergi Youssef El Metni
112. George Sami Rizk
113. Abdeh Gerges Aoun
114. Afifa Chaaya
115. Afifa Metni
116. Ammeh Youssef Aoun
117. Amoun Michel Ghorayeb
118. Khalil Ghanimeh
119. Milad El Asmar
120. Maroun Hashem
121. Habib Cannaan
122. Saiid Habib Cannaan
123. Saada Cannaan
124. Ghada Saiid Cannaan
125. Habib Saiid Cannaan
126. Ghassan Saiid Cannaan
127. Youssef Saiid Cannaan
128. Gergi Metni
129. Aziz Youssef El Metni
130. Tony Michel Azar (8 years old)
The Victims and Martyrs' names of Jiyyeh: (incomplete)
1. Hassan Eid El Azzi
2. George Eid El Azzi
3. Tanios Youssef El Boustani
4. Elias Abdallah El Boustany
5. Chafic Farid El Azzi
6. Rahil Dib
7. Elias Assaad Massoud El Azzi
8. Jamil Gerges Hatem
9. Youssef Sleiman Amine El Azzi
10. Karam Tanios El Azzi
11. Tannous Saad El Azzi
12. Mariam El Azzi
13. Marguerite El Azzi
14. Suzanne Nakhleh
15. Tarizeh El Azzi
16. Maurice Michael El Azzi
17. Rizk Roukoz
18. Akl Razzouk
Reem
2005-01-25 04:12:39 UTC
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Let's see who will forgive those LF thugs of yours, and your new PSP masters
!!
Post by Bachir Hay Fina
The Syrians were involved, via Al Saaika.
Joe I Forgive my Lebanese Brothers, but not cowards of the ssnp who cry for
Palestine, yet dance in joy when Syria kills Lebanese.
Post by Joseph Mouhanna
It was bitter cold, and rain was pouring in buckets when the small fishing
boats (flouka) starting arriving in Batroun after midnight, carrying
survivors of the Damour massacre with nothing but the clothes on their
backs, barely alive having survived the trip in the middle of a nasty
winter storm, and knowing nothing about friends and relatives they left
behind. BTW, it wasn't Syrians, it was Arafat and your pal Jumblat who
were responsible. For Jumblat to deny responsibility is a complete
re-write of history. He was the glue that kept the so-called National
Movement going, and he was the master of ceremonies.
May they rest in peace, and may their memory not be *whored* in the name
of the alliance *du jour*.
Post by Bachir Hay Fina
- January 20 - 23, 1976 - The Christian towns of Damour and Jiyyeh, in
Shouf, were massacred. The majority of the victims were women, children
and elderly people. The elderly were laid down side by side for a quicker
execution. Women and girls were raped and killed inside the church.
Newborns were ripped apart. Children were decapitated with hatchets.
Houses were burnt down. The Palestinians and the Syrians under Zouheir
Mohsen's command, Chief of Saika, executed this Genocide.
The Victims and Martyrs' names of Damour: (incomplete)
1. Georges Nakhleh Assaad
2. Walid Chaker El Asmar
3. Toufic Maroun El Asmar
4. Gerges Toufic El Asmar
5. Elham Gerges El asmar
6. Maroun Toufic El Asmar
7. Youssef Massoud Kesserwani
8. Nasr Tanios Nasr
9. Adib Youssef Nasr
10. Halim Youssef Nicolas
11. Tanios Abdah Chahine
12. Iskandar Youssef Abi Fayssal
13. Elias Khalil El Husseiny
14. Elias Farid El Ghaziry
15. Elias Youssef Al Boustany
16. Bassam Habib Abi Haidar
17. Gerges Said El Azzi
18. Gerges Moawad El Azzi
19. Khalil Toufic El Azzi
20. Charbel Elias El Azzi
21. Tanios Dib Chalhoub
22. Tony Ayoub Eid
23. Ghazi Wadih El Ghorayeb
24. Louis Gerges Bouery
25. Michel Elias Salem
26. Michel Habib Abu Merhe
27. Milad Selim El Asmar
28. Wardeh Gerges Lahad
29. Wadih Elias Abu Haidar
30. Nahia Wadih Abu Haidar
31. Najla Elias Abu Haidar
32. Nada Joseph Rizk
33. Micheline Tanios Chahine
34. Milad Maroun Rizk
35. Milia Abu Abssi
36. Youssef Harfoush
37. Habib Elias Cannaan
38. Hassan Ephrem Aoun
39. Hssaybeh Farid Abou Abdallah
40. Youssef Michael Andraos
41. Youssef Mansour Aoun
42. Elias Youssef Aoun
43. Maroun Gerges El Hashem
44. Marcel Tanios Chahine
45. Moussa Elias Aoun
46. Hanna Amine Aoun
47. Hanneh Neeman Abou Nasr
48. Hanineh Wadih Chahine
49. Sami Lahoud Abou Serhal
50. SabeY Gerges El Chouery
51. Souad Antoine El Khoury
52. Souad Antoine Aoun
53. Salma Rizk
54. Seniora Daoud Nasr
55. Suzane Tanios Chahine
56. Saydet Gerges Sadek
57. Chadi Farid Abou Abdallah
58. Shehade Youssef Abou Serhal
59. Chafic Youssef Aoun
60. Sofia Abou Haidar
61. Sofia Selim El Azzi
62. Tanios Farid Abou Abdallah
63. New Born W. Abou Haidar
64. May Elias Abou Haidar
65. Michel Gergi El Ghorayeb
66. Elias Gerges El Ghorayeb
67. Hala Akl
68. Michel Attallah
69. Michel Maroun Rizk
70. Michel Naaman Cannaan
71. Michel Youssef Salem
72. Francis Elias Dagher
73. Farida bou Fayssal
74. Farida Lahad
75. Farida Abdallah El Azzi
76. Fadia Sami Rizk
77. Kamil Sami Rizk
78. Tanios Zeidan
79. Boutros Ghanymeh
80. Tony Geryes El Azzi
81. Elias El Azzi
82. Elias Khalil Demiane
83. Fares Moawad
84. Iskandar Romanos Sherfan
85. Naiim Selim Berdkan
86. Mrs. Youssef El Khoury
87. Elias Selim Bou Fayssal
88. Elias Selim Saleh
89. Elias moussa Aoun
90. Enwan Moussa Aoun
91. Elias khalil El Hashem
92. Emile Youssef El Khoury
93. Elie Youssef El Khoury
94. Boutros Selim El Azzi
95. Georges Selim El Azzi
96. Georges Abdeh Saroufim
97. Georgette Louis El Bouery
98. Joseph SabeY Saab
99. Josepf Farid Abou Abdallah
100. Boutros Najm Abou Abdallah
101. Boulos Youssef Akl
102. Pierre Joseph Rizk
103. Therese Gerges Sadek
104. Gerges Tanios Sadek
105. Toufic Saiid Andraos
106. Gerges Elias Lahad
107. Emile Youssef Boutros
108. Amine Farhat Rizk
109. Ennaam Selim Eid
110. Eugenie Rashid El Metni
111. Gergi Youssef El Metni
112. George Sami Rizk
113. Abdeh Gerges Aoun
114. Afifa Chaaya
115. Afifa Metni
116. Ammeh Youssef Aoun
117. Amoun Michel Ghorayeb
118. Khalil Ghanimeh
119. Milad El Asmar
120. Maroun Hashem
121. Habib Cannaan
122. Saiid Habib Cannaan
123. Saada Cannaan
124. Ghada Saiid Cannaan
125. Habib Saiid Cannaan
126. Ghassan Saiid Cannaan
127. Youssef Saiid Cannaan
128. Gergi Metni
129. Aziz Youssef El Metni
130. Tony Michel Azar (8 years old)
The Victims and Martyrs' names of Jiyyeh: (incomplete)
1. Hassan Eid El Azzi
2. George Eid El Azzi
3. Tanios Youssef El Boustani
4. Elias Abdallah El Boustany
5. Chafic Farid El Azzi
6. Rahil Dib
7. Elias Assaad Massoud El Azzi
8. Jamil Gerges Hatem
9. Youssef Sleiman Amine El Azzi
10. Karam Tanios El Azzi
11. Tannous Saad El Azzi
12. Mariam El Azzi
13. Marguerite El Azzi
14. Suzanne Nakhleh
15. Tarizeh El Azzi
16. Maurice Michael El Azzi
17. Rizk Roukoz
18. Akl Razzouk
Joseph Mouhanna
2005-01-27 20:47:25 UTC
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Whom or what you forgive is up to you. I'm asking that the massacre not be
exploited for political purposes. Jumblat and the entire Harakeh Wataniyeh,
along with the PLO is responsible for the Damour massacre. The SSNP was a
key element of the Harakeh Watanieyh at the time of the Damour massacre, and
continued to be so when the Chekka massacre took place six months later.
Post by Bachir Hay Fina
The Syrians were involved, via Al Saaika.
Joe I Forgive my Lebanese Brothers, but not cowards of the ssnp who cry
for Palestine, yet dance in joy when Syria kills Lebanese.
Post by Joseph Mouhanna
It was bitter cold, and rain was pouring in buckets when the small
fishing boats (flouka) starting arriving in Batroun after midnight,
carrying survivors of the Damour massacre with nothing but the clothes on
their backs, barely alive having survived the trip in the middle of a
nasty winter storm, and knowing nothing about friends and relatives they
left behind. BTW, it wasn't Syrians, it was Arafat and your pal Jumblat
who were responsible. For Jumblat to deny responsibility is a complete
re-write of history. He was the glue that kept the so-called National
Movement going, and he was the master of ceremonies.
May they rest in peace, and may their memory not be *whored* in the name
of the alliance *du jour*.
Post by Bachir Hay Fina
- January 20 - 23, 1976 - The Christian towns of Damour and Jiyyeh, in
Shouf, were massacred. The majority of the victims were women, children
and elderly people. The elderly were laid down side by side for a quicker
execution. Women and girls were raped and killed inside the church.
Newborns were ripped apart. Children were decapitated with hatchets.
Houses were burnt down. The Palestinians and the Syrians under Zouheir
Mohsen's command, Chief of Saika, executed this Genocide.
The Victims and Martyrs' names of Damour: (incomplete)
1. Georges Nakhleh Assaad
2. Walid Chaker El Asmar
3. Toufic Maroun El Asmar
4. Gerges Toufic El Asmar
5. Elham Gerges El asmar
6. Maroun Toufic El Asmar
7. Youssef Massoud Kesserwani
8. Nasr Tanios Nasr
9. Adib Youssef Nasr
10. Halim Youssef Nicolas
11. Tanios Abdah Chahine
12. Iskandar Youssef Abi Fayssal
13. Elias Khalil El Husseiny
14. Elias Farid El Ghaziry
15. Elias Youssef Al Boustany
16. Bassam Habib Abi Haidar
17. Gerges Said El Azzi
18. Gerges Moawad El Azzi
19. Khalil Toufic El Azzi
20. Charbel Elias El Azzi
21. Tanios Dib Chalhoub
22. Tony Ayoub Eid
23. Ghazi Wadih El Ghorayeb
24. Louis Gerges Bouery
25. Michel Elias Salem
26. Michel Habib Abu Merhe
27. Milad Selim El Asmar
28. Wardeh Gerges Lahad
29. Wadih Elias Abu Haidar
30. Nahia Wadih Abu Haidar
31. Najla Elias Abu Haidar
32. Nada Joseph Rizk
33. Micheline Tanios Chahine
34. Milad Maroun Rizk
35. Milia Abu Abssi
36. Youssef Harfoush
37. Habib Elias Cannaan
38. Hassan Ephrem Aoun
39. Hssaybeh Farid Abou Abdallah
40. Youssef Michael Andraos
41. Youssef Mansour Aoun
42. Elias Youssef Aoun
43. Maroun Gerges El Hashem
44. Marcel Tanios Chahine
45. Moussa Elias Aoun
46. Hanna Amine Aoun
47. Hanneh Neeman Abou Nasr
48. Hanineh Wadih Chahine
49. Sami Lahoud Abou Serhal
50. SabeY Gerges El Chouery
51. Souad Antoine El Khoury
52. Souad Antoine Aoun
53. Salma Rizk
54. Seniora Daoud Nasr
55. Suzane Tanios Chahine
56. Saydet Gerges Sadek
57. Chadi Farid Abou Abdallah
58. Shehade Youssef Abou Serhal
59. Chafic Youssef Aoun
60. Sofia Abou Haidar
61. Sofia Selim El Azzi
62. Tanios Farid Abou Abdallah
63. New Born W. Abou Haidar
64. May Elias Abou Haidar
65. Michel Gergi El Ghorayeb
66. Elias Gerges El Ghorayeb
67. Hala Akl
68. Michel Attallah
69. Michel Maroun Rizk
70. Michel Naaman Cannaan
71. Michel Youssef Salem
72. Francis Elias Dagher
73. Farida bou Fayssal
74. Farida Lahad
75. Farida Abdallah El Azzi
76. Fadia Sami Rizk
77. Kamil Sami Rizk
78. Tanios Zeidan
79. Boutros Ghanymeh
80. Tony Geryes El Azzi
81. Elias El Azzi
82. Elias Khalil Demiane
83. Fares Moawad
84. Iskandar Romanos Sherfan
85. Naiim Selim Berdkan
86. Mrs. Youssef El Khoury
87. Elias Selim Bou Fayssal
88. Elias Selim Saleh
89. Elias moussa Aoun
90. Enwan Moussa Aoun
91. Elias khalil El Hashem
92. Emile Youssef El Khoury
93. Elie Youssef El Khoury
94. Boutros Selim El Azzi
95. Georges Selim El Azzi
96. Georges Abdeh Saroufim
97. Georgette Louis El Bouery
98. Joseph SabeY Saab
99. Josepf Farid Abou Abdallah
100. Boutros Najm Abou Abdallah
101. Boulos Youssef Akl
102. Pierre Joseph Rizk
103. Therese Gerges Sadek
104. Gerges Tanios Sadek
105. Toufic Saiid Andraos
106. Gerges Elias Lahad
107. Emile Youssef Boutros
108. Amine Farhat Rizk
109. Ennaam Selim Eid
110. Eugenie Rashid El Metni
111. Gergi Youssef El Metni
112. George Sami Rizk
113. Abdeh Gerges Aoun
114. Afifa Chaaya
115. Afifa Metni
116. Ammeh Youssef Aoun
117. Amoun Michel Ghorayeb
118. Khalil Ghanimeh
119. Milad El Asmar
120. Maroun Hashem
121. Habib Cannaan
122. Saiid Habib Cannaan
123. Saada Cannaan
124. Ghada Saiid Cannaan
125. Habib Saiid Cannaan
126. Ghassan Saiid Cannaan
127. Youssef Saiid Cannaan
128. Gergi Metni
129. Aziz Youssef El Metni
130. Tony Michel Azar (8 years old)
The Victims and Martyrs' names of Jiyyeh: (incomplete)
1. Hassan Eid El Azzi
2. George Eid El Azzi
3. Tanios Youssef El Boustani
4. Elias Abdallah El Boustany
5. Chafic Farid El Azzi
6. Rahil Dib
7. Elias Assaad Massoud El Azzi
8. Jamil Gerges Hatem
9. Youssef Sleiman Amine El Azzi
10. Karam Tanios El Azzi
11. Tannous Saad El Azzi
12. Mariam El Azzi
13. Marguerite El Azzi
14. Suzanne Nakhleh
15. Tarizeh El Azzi
16. Maurice Michael El Azzi
17. Rizk Roukoz
18. Akl Razzouk
n***@hotmail.com
2005-01-27 23:27:42 UTC
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what's your point? is it that the SSNP condoned such massacres or even
had particpated in them?
If so, please enlighten me with credible evidence that none before you
has ever provided the public -- supporting whatever you tried implying
in your posted message. As I stated earlier in response to one of your
questions: I never liked the fact that the SSNP was part of alharakeh
alwataniyeh (a filthy joint). But it seems that al-qawmiyeen had no
choice but enter the non-civil war for a reason or another (some
justified, some not)!

Tammouz
Joseph Mouhanna
2005-01-28 00:46:03 UTC
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The answer to your question does not require a long list of dead people,
dates and witnesses. Clear conclusions can be arrived at by looking at the
bigger picture.
Group A commits a crime 1.
Group A is composed of parties X, Y and Z.
Group A commits crime 2.
Group A still consists of parties X, Y and Z.
Group A commits crime 3.
Group A still consists of parties X, Y and Z.
and so on and so forth

Conclusion (without a shadow of doubt): parties Z, Y and Z either
participated in or condoned the crimes. If they did not, then they should
have withdrawn support for Group A. It's that simple. In the case of
Lebanon, all these parties had (at a minimum), more than 10 years to
consider their options, and they chose to remain as part of Group A.

Whether or not you like it, these are the plain and simple facts. Now, if
you're speaking on behalf of the SSNP, why don't you explain this to me:
given ample proof of sectarian and criminal tendencies on the part of the
harakeh alwatanieyh, demonstrated by massacres like Damour, why did the SSNP
participate in (more like take the lead), in the attack and ensuing massacre
in Chekka? BTW, saying that the SSNP did not do sectarian killings is not a
viable excuse, given that they were fully aware of what will happen.

PS: I also don't buy the *had no choice* argument. Everyone has a choice,
including the SSNP. If its fighters are willing to die in the name of a
cause, then they could have been a third party fighting for a better cause.

PSS: to the readers of this thread, yes, I am aware of all the other
massacres, committed by the various parties, so please don't respond with a
list of massacres as it does not address the point.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
what's your point? is it that the SSNP condoned such massacres or even
had particpated in them?
If so, please enlighten me with credible evidence that none before you
has ever provided the public -- supporting whatever you tried implying
in your posted message. As I stated earlier in response to one of your
questions: I never liked the fact that the SSNP was part of alharakeh
alwataniyeh (a filthy joint). But it seems that al-qawmiyeen had no
choice but enter the non-civil war for a reason or another (some
justified, some not)!
Tammouz
n***@hotmail.com
2005-01-28 01:38:46 UTC
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Your reply is basic innuendos. Yes, I speak on behalf of the SSNP,
freely so. What you *buy* or don't is your business. If you can provide
evidence that the SSNP had the military capability to stop all those
parties from committing crimes, but they opted not to, then you may
have a point! If you can also prove that the SSNP had committed
massacres against civilians, in Chikka or elsewhere, then simply bring
it on so that you bring down this party crumbling on its feet. STOP
disseminating your hatred of the SSNP through bogus claims and twisted
logic.
In Chikka, it was al-3asifa (PLO) plus Jundullah and 24-Tishreen whom
were the main perpetrators. I challenge you to post one single proof
that al-qawmiyeeen were a big force then (or anytime) and have caused
harm to innocent civilians purposely. Let me re-iterate: I *challenge*
you to do so! Enough of your crap.
What caused the non-justifiable Chikka massacre is those thugs who came
from Chikka to al-qalamoun and massacred its people ravaging everything
that stood in their way: people and property. Then revenge took place
as-usual sparing none. A filthy un-civil war, ain't?
Also, didn't you a long time ago correspond with al-qawmi al-ijtima3i
Oussama Al-Mohtar, inferring to him that al-qawmiyeen "kanou ashraf
almuqatileen when it came to civilians", without you at any point
agreeing with or liking the SSNP (which is your right)? But at least
then you gave them credit for not being totally barbaric!.
You ought to get on Kalam el-Nas with Marcel Ghanem ASAP so that you
release the facts you got against the SSNP to the public. Knowing
Marcel, he'd grab your goodies in a second. I for one and many more
decent people would like see your proof, else you may wish to change
course and stop disseminating trashy gossip.
Tammouz
Joseph Mouhanna
2005-01-29 17:29:28 UTC
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Post by n***@hotmail.com
Your reply is basic innuendos.
How so?
Post by n***@hotmail.com
Yes, I speak on behalf of the SSNP, freely so.
Good, glad we can establish this.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
What you *buy* or don't is your business.
Of course it is. I have a free mind, free of racist and sectarian
propaganda.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
If you can provide
evidence that the SSNP had the military capability to stop all those
parties from committing crimes, but they opted not to, then you may
have a point!
And if you can provide evidence that this indeed is the point I'm arguing,
then you may have a point. However, this is not the point I'm arguing. For
your benefit, I'll restate what I'm saying:

1. Massacres in Lebanon were committed by various parties.

2. The haraka alwatanieyh was one of the parties committing massacres along
sectarian lines.

3. The SSNP was an active and enthusiastic participant in the activities of
haraka alwatanieyh, before, during and following the massacres.

If the SSNP did not condone the actions of the haraka alwatanieyh, then why
did the SSNP remain an active member of that movement? It's a very simple
question. Notice that I did not say anything about the SSNP being able to
stop other factions, you did.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
If you can also prove that the SSNP had committed
massacres against civilians, in Chikka or elsewhere, then simply bring
it on so that you bring down this party crumbling on its feet. STOP
disseminating your hatred of the SSNP through bogus claims and twisted
logic.
Stating facts is very different from disseminating hatred. To you it's the
same, a sure sign of a brain that's infected by an infallible political
ideology that's as potent as religion. You're like an Ayatollah or a
Christian fundamentalist who will not accept a logical examination of the
foundations of his religion.

BTW, I'm accustomed to SSNP'ers and SSNP sympathizers on SCL making claims
of *bring it on* and *we'll spread the truth*, only to disappear or change
topcis when you prove them wrong. This topic is also NOT about the SSNP
committing massacres, so STOP trying to make it so and respond to the issues
at hand.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
In Chikka, it was al-3asifa (PLO) plus Jundullah and 24-Tishreen whom
were the main perpetrators. I challenge you to post one single proof
that al-qawmiyeeen were a big force then (or anytime) and have caused
harm to innocent civilians purposely. Let me re-iterate: I *challenge*
you to do so!
I'm not going to disagree with you that the SSNP never as and never will be
a big force :-) Your argument also makes very little sense as the question
in here is whether the SSNP was a participant in the attack on Chekka, not
how many troops it had in the field. More below for proof that *you* know
absolutely nothing about what happened in Chekka.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
Enough of your crap.
Yislam hal timm ya mhazzab.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
What caused the non-justifiable Chikka massacre is those thugs who came
from Chikka to al-qalamoun and massacred its people ravaging everything
that stood in their way: people and property. Then revenge took place
as-usual sparing none. A filthy un-civil war, ain't?
Yes, the Lebanese civil war was filthy. That would be the only factual part
of your statement above. For a real history of what happened in Chekka, read
on:

1. The Chekka / Koura battle took place during the first week of July of
1976.

2. As a result of the counter-attack, Koura was liberated by the Lebanese
Forces and Marada. During the final phases of that operation, AlQalmoun was
declared an open city and its population evacuated with a promise of no harm
ro people or property. The no-harm to people was strictly adhered to, and
after the people of AlQalmoun left, the LF entered AlQalmoun and drove past
and established defensive lines beyond Deir AlBalamand, with a no-man's land
between those positisions and Behsass (Southern entrance to Tripoli).

3. In September, and a few days prior to Syrian troops entering the North as
the 1975-1976 phase of the war concluded, the LF decided to loot AlQalmoun.
They entered town and *liberated* AlQalmoun from everything. Even floor
tiles, toilet seats, and windows were not spared. Warehouese in Batroun,
Kfarabida and other places were filled with the loot. There was no massacre
in AlQalmoun, although a near massacre was averted when some people in
Batroun tried to stop the looters, and were captured and nearly killed by
elements of the Kataeb from Kfarabida.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
Also, didn't you a long time ago correspond with al-qawmi al-ijtima3i
Oussama Al-Mohtar, inferring to him that al-qawmiyeen "kanou ashraf
almuqatileen when it came to civilians", without you at any point
agreeing with or liking the SSNP (which is your right)? But at least
then you gave them credit for not being totally barbaric!.
At some point, I expect you to read what you're writing and realize it makes
absolutely no sense. You notice that it is *you* who's arguing a point I did
not make? and the point you're arguing is that I'm saying that the SSNP
directly committed or approved massacres. Having said that, you still don't
know what you're talking about. My discussion with Mr. Al-Mohtar (nearly ten
years ago) on SCL was around SSNP ideology. The most recent attempt at a
conversation I had with him, was in July of 2003, where instead of
responding, he resorted to a personal attack! In fact, here's the direct
quote:

"Dear Mr. Mouhanna,
I would have very much liked to answer all your questions but I don't think
you can afford the cost involved in research and writing. I should emphasise
that research will be the lesser cost. The big cost will be in trying to put
the findings in a simplified enough language for you to understand them. My
task will be rendered even more difficult as I noticed that in anohter
posting you did not seem to understand the meaning of "thick wall."
I am terribly sorry, but I have to decline your kind request.
Most sincerely,
Oussama"


I did however have a discussion with another SSNP'er in which I said (and
I've always maintained), that the SSNP's association with the harakeh
alwatanieyh is what makes it guilty. Here's an expert from that Feb 15, 1996
discussion:

Feb 15, 1996

"Although the SNSP and the Communists never directly committed massacres,
and in some cases lost
fighters trying to prevent some, they simply cannot turn their back and say
that because they did
not commit these massacres, then their hands are clean. This is the
equivalent to sticking one's
head in the sand. I know that the Lebanese situation is much more
complicated than the simplistic
statement that I made here, but one cannot overlook the fact that massacres
occurred in areas
under the supposed control of the SNSP (the communist party was not a major
player). Examples are
Koura, Batroun and Matn (with Jumblat's party). What matters is the end
result and not who
actually pulled the trigger. Saying that these parties did not actually
participate offers very
little consolation to the families of those who died. They could have done
more to stop those
massacres, but that would have meant a fight with their allies. This is
massacre by proxy."

The only other instance where I pointed to the SSNP was in the case of
Bmariam in September of 1983, where SSNP members, who happened to belong to
a particular Lebanese religion, entered Bmariam and massacred civilians just
because they were Maronites. That was followed by Mr. Jumblat PSP's PR
machine inviting US news crews into Bmariam and telling them to film what
the New Jersey's shells have done to a *Druze* village. I'm not saying that
these actions were sanctioned by the SSNP, but I did not hear any
disagreements either.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
You ought to get on Kalam el-Nas with Marcel Ghanem ASAP so that you
release the facts you got against the SSNP to the public. Knowing
Marcel, he'd grab your goodies in a second. I for one and many more
decent people
1. The "decent people" is a self-description on your part. You should let
others come to that conclusion.

2. Before you accuse others of not knowing their facts, you should know your
own, and as demonstrated above, you know nothing about the events in Chekka
and AlQlamoun, but you insist that your party had nothing to do with it.
Isn't that a bit indecent?

3. You're making up a topic I did not open up, and then you go on and make
additional assumptions. Isn't that a bit indecent?
Post by n***@hotmail.com
would like see your proof, else you may wish to change
course and stop disseminating trashy gossip.
I suggest that you start by developing an idea of what you're talking about.
It makes conversations a lot easier.

So, now that you've established that you speak on behalf of the SSNP, can
you explain why, if the SSNP did not condone the haraka alwatanieyh actions,
it did not pull out of that movement? If the SSNP did not commit the
massacres, were they totally oblivious to who committed them? Doesn't their
association with the that movement make them just as guilty?

From your responses, I take it that an SSNP'er who's also an SCL'er has
given you some information about discussions we had on SCL. I suggest you
ask him to describe to you how he participated in the attack on Chekka.
While he and I agreed that some SSNP'ers were killed in Chekka trying to
stop the killings of civilians, there is no disagreement at all on the fact
that the SSNP participated in the planning of the operation, and that some
of the attacking troops staged their attacks from SSNP positions in Koura.
Educate yourself a bit about the party you claim to represent.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
Tammouz
Bachir Hay Fina
2005-01-29 03:05:15 UTC
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SSNP Masscres:

Palestinian guerrillas, Shia militia, Communist Party and SSNP gunmen and
Druze militia, supported by Syrian artillery, tanks and plain clothes gunmen
assaulted Bhamdoun. After several days of combat, Bhamdoun was captured by
the morning of September 7, with the Lebanese Forces loosing over 150 men
on the 6th, a very large number for the Lebanese Forces to lose in a single
action. Some of those defending Bhamdoun fought a rear-guard action so as to
allow enough time for their fellow Phalangists to retreated to the
stronghold of Dier al Qamar to join the rest of the Christian population
there. Some 200 civilians had remained at Bhamdoun believing that they would
be unharmed, but they, along with captured Lebanese Forces troops were
murdered, many by having their throats cut.

The Druzes surrounded and besieged Dier al Qamar, which held 40,000
Christian residents and refugees and 1,000 Lebanese Forces fighters. With
the Chouf Mountains undefended, the Leftist Militias went on a rampage
reminiscent of the 1860 massacres. The first few weeks of September saw a
rising number of massacres being committed against Christian civilians:

31 August 1983 36 Christians had their throats cut in Bmarian
7 September 1983 200 people massacred in Bhamdoun
10 September 1983 64 slaughtered in Bireh, several victims were executed
in the village church, some of them on the altar.
10 September 1983 30 in Ras el-Matn
11 September 1983 15 in Maasser Beit ed-Dine
11 September 1983 36 in Chartoun
12 September 1983 3 in Ain el-Hour
12 September 1983 12 in Bourjayne
12 September 1983 11 in Fawara
13 September 1983 84 in Maasser el-Chouf
Post by Joseph Mouhanna
The answer to your question does not require a long list of dead people,
dates and witnesses. Clear conclusions can be arrived at by looking at the
bigger picture.
Group A commits a crime 1.
Group A is composed of parties X, Y and Z.
Group A commits crime 2.
Group A still consists of parties X, Y and Z.
Group A commits crime 3.
Group A still consists of parties X, Y and Z.
and so on and so forth
Conclusion (without a shadow of doubt): parties Z, Y and Z either
participated in or condoned the crimes. If they did not, then they should
have withdrawn support for Group A. It's that simple. In the case of
Lebanon, all these parties had (at a minimum), more than 10 years to
consider their options, and they chose to remain as part of Group A.
Whether or not you like it, these are the plain and simple facts. Now, if
given ample proof of sectarian and criminal tendencies on the part of the
harakeh alwatanieyh, demonstrated by massacres like Damour, why did the
SSNP participate in (more like take the lead), in the attack and ensuing
massacre in Chekka? BTW, saying that the SSNP did not do sectarian
killings is not a viable excuse, given that they were fully aware of what
will happen.
PS: I also don't buy the *had no choice* argument. Everyone has a choice,
including the SSNP. If its fighters are willing to die in the name of a
cause, then they could have been a third party fighting for a better cause.
PSS: to the readers of this thread, yes, I am aware of all the other
massacres, committed by the various parties, so please don't respond with
a list of massacres as it does not address the point.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
what's your point? is it that the SSNP condoned such massacres or even
had particpated in them?
If so, please enlighten me with credible evidence that none before you
has ever provided the public -- supporting whatever you tried implying
in your posted message. As I stated earlier in response to one of your
questions: I never liked the fact that the SSNP was part of alharakeh
alwataniyeh (a filthy joint). But it seems that al-qawmiyeen had no
choice but enter the non-civil war for a reason or another (some
justified, some not)!
Tammouz
Bachir Hay Fina
2005-01-29 05:14:27 UTC
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(Photos remembering the Massacred by the SSNP)
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memorial of the massacre which caused the death of hundreds of Christians
Civilians in Chekka and which was done by the PLO and SSNP and other
parties, the Lebanese Forces and the Kataeb of Chekka organized a mass for
the brave martyrs who fell in the battles giving their lives for the
Lebanese Christian Resistence.

The Mass was held Sunday 11/7/2004 in Notre Dame De Délivrance - Chekka at
6:00 pm

To be noted that the electricity was cut 5 minutes before the beginning of
the mass and it came back after the ceremony was ended.
Post by Joseph Mouhanna
The answer to your question does not require a long list of dead people,
dates and witnesses. Clear conclusions can be arrived at by looking at the
bigger picture.
Group A commits a crime 1.
Group A is composed of parties X, Y and Z.
Group A commits crime 2.
Group A still consists of parties X, Y and Z.
Group A commits crime 3.
Group A still consists of parties X, Y and Z.
and so on and so forth
Conclusion (without a shadow of doubt): parties Z, Y and Z either
participated in or condoned the crimes. If they did not, then they should
have withdrawn support for Group A. It's that simple. In the case of
Lebanon, all these parties had (at a minimum), more than 10 years to
consider their options, and they chose to remain as part of Group A.
Whether or not you like it, these are the plain and simple facts. Now, if
given ample proof of sectarian and criminal tendencies on the part of the
harakeh alwatanieyh, demonstrated by massacres like Damour, why did the
SSNP participate in (more like take the lead), in the attack and ensuing
massacre in Chekka? BTW, saying that the SSNP did not do sectarian
killings is not a viable excuse, given that they were fully aware of what
will happen.
PS: I also don't buy the *had no choice* argument. Everyone has a choice,
including the SSNP. If its fighters are willing to die in the name of a
cause, then they could have been a third party fighting for a better cause.
PSS: to the readers of this thread, yes, I am aware of all the other
massacres, committed by the various parties, so please don't respond with
a list of massacres as it does not address the point.
Post by n***@hotmail.com
what's your point? is it that the SSNP condoned such massacres or even
had particpated in them?
If so, please enlighten me with credible evidence that none before you
has ever provided the public -- supporting whatever you tried implying
in your posted message. As I stated earlier in response to one of your
questions: I never liked the fact that the SSNP was part of alharakeh
alwataniyeh (a filthy joint). But it seems that al-qawmiyeen had no
choice but enter the non-civil war for a reason or another (some
justified, some not)!
Tammouz
b***@hotmail.com
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Hello,

I recently found out that my friend is a rescapee of the Damour massacre.
He was born during that horrible tragic event.
His mother escaped after she witnessed the death of her husband, she died right after giving birth.
All he knows is that his parents were a young couple of doctors who were expecting their first child.
I found a text of the priest Labaki who helped his community escape, he mentioned a pregnant woman who gave birth on the boat, I wonder if she was my friend's mother.
He's willing to know his parents' names at least, anything, about his identity.
We want to contact this priest but we don't know how to reach him.
If anyone knows anything about these people or has heard of them, or knows how to contact father Labaki, any survivors or survivors' family who knows anything please contact me, any information or hint will help.

Thank you.

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