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HONORABLE MARTYR OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG SAUDI ARABIA IS FINDING OUT
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Aviroce
2011-05-03 15:22:31 UTC
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HONORABLE MARTYR OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG SAUDI ARABIA
IS FINDING OUT
By Aviroce
In the name of Allah the most merciful, the Honorable Martyr Osama
Bin Laden has joined the company of the enshrined and faithful among
Muslims and Arabs forever. His grave is the Arabian Sea and the
Arabian Sea must change its name to become The Sea of Osama Bin Laden
in perpetuity. Only friendly ships can sail The Sea of Osama Bin
Laden. Ships of the enemies should be attacked and never anchor in
any port on The Sea of Osama Bin Laden. The Sea of Osama Bin Laden
is the grave of the most Honorable Martyr of Palestinians, Arabs and
Muslims.

The Honorable Martyr Osama Bin Laden had a great knowledge of the work
of the Central Intelligence Agency in the United States of America as
he was an American agent. After ten years of wars and murders, the
Central Intelligence Agency caught up with the Honorable Osama Bin
Laden and killed him. When one thinks in terms of time, people and
resources, one would question the victory the United States of
America earned by killing the defender of Palestinians, Arabs and
Muslims. A Greek military leader by the name probably Pyrrhus said,
“With victories like this, I will be ruined.” The United States of
America and Europe have been ruined already and it is not over yet.
As a Mathematician, I would like my readers think of the number of
people involved in finding the Martyr. Ten years in search and
destruction to get the Martyr. Over one billion humans were looking
for the Martyr. USA and Western economies have suffered the blows of
depression and it is not over yet. The Honorable Martyr Osama Bin
Laden demonstrated that Imperialism and Zionism have a heavy price to
pay. Let the Shakespearean crowd celebrate the killing of the
Prophet of the Destruction of Western Powers.

It goes back when George Bush, Sr. “ decided to invade Iraq to
extricate Kuwait with the blessing and financing of Saudi Arabia.
You cannot believe how foolish these Saudis have been. Imagine the
United States of America was to do the dirty job for Saudi Arabia!!
The wisest fools of Saudi Arabia used the lion as a hunting dog. But
“The lion hunted them along with what they hunted.” (Al-Mutanabbi)
The United States of America raided the treasury of Saudi Arabia,
extricated Kuwait, weakened Saddam Hussein, penetrated into the
Arabian Peninsula and the Persian Gulf irreversibly This was the
turning point in the creation of Al-Qaeda.

Osama Bin Laden asked his relative king of Saudi Arabia to tell the
Americans to take their troops out of his country and the United
States of America refused to do so proving “the lion cannot be used as
a hunting dog.” The lion has another interest other than what the
Saudis wanted it to do foolishly. This set the stage for the
animosity between Al-Qaeda and USA and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia
pushed Osama Bin Laden out where he found sanctuary in Afghanistan,
the country he helped liberate from Communism as an agent for the
United States of America. The Martyr was a leader for the Mujahideen
(struggling defenders) in Afghanistan. The United States of America
underestimated his value as the leader of Palestinians, Arabs and
Muslims. The most Honorable Martyr Osama Bin Laden set the United
States of America and European countries spinning. He is the first
man to kill Americans on mainland USA . Killing him achieved
nothing. New leader of Al-Qaeda will take over and the new leader
will surely attack. He will not attack while emotions are high. He
will subversively, formlessly and namelessly attack. In this kind of
war, you should not advertise. It is not a publicity stunt. It is a
war against the most powerful and most advantaged technologically in
the world. Subversion is the best method to defeat an enemy of such
a caliber.

The United States of America created Israel to keep Palestinians,
Arabs and Muslims under Western control. The United States of America
and Israel will be paying the price.

Aviroce
P-Dub
2011-05-03 17:27:56 UTC
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HONORABLE MARTYR OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG SAUDI ARABIA
IS FINDING OUT
By Aviroce
In the name of Allah the most merciful, the Honorable Martyr Osama
Bin Laden has joined the company of the enshrined and faithful among
Bin Laden was a piece of excrement - like you.

If there is a hell, Bin Laden is burning at a temperature hotter than
the sun - along with other garbage jihadis.

P-Dub: Islam and honor are opposites. There has never been anything holy
or honorable in Islam, or with it's disgusting pedophile 'prophet' -
Muhammad.

www.thereligionofpeace.com
Aviroce
2011-05-04 01:36:31 UTC
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Post by Aviroce
HONORABLE MARTYR OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG SAUDI ARABIA
IS FINDING OUT
By Aviroce
  In the name of Allah the most merciful, the Honorable Martyr Osama
Bin Laden has joined the company o.f the enshrined and faithful among
Bin Laden was a piece of excrement - like you.
HOW COULD THAT BE? YOU NEED TO READ THE ARTICLE. IT TOOK TEN YEARS
TO ENSHRINE THE HONORABLE OSAMA BIN LADEN AMONG THE FAITHFUL. THE
HONORABLE MARTYR RENDERED WESTERN ECONOMY INTO A STATE OF DEPRESSION
AND FORCED THE SAME TO CHANGE IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL
EMPHASIS. THINK OF THE TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WERE
SPENT TO FACE UP TO THE MARTYR THE MOST HONORABLE OSAMA BIN LADEN. BY
CATHOLIC STANDARDS THE MARTYR IS A SAINT AND IS WALKING WITH GOD. SO
HE KNOWS WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU STAND FOR HE COULD SEND YOU TO HELL.
Post by P-Dub
If there is a hell, Bin Laden is burning at a temperature hotter than
the sun - along with other garbage jihadis.
"JIHAD" IS A WAR OF SELF-DEFENSE. THE HONORABLE MARTYR OSAMA BIN
LADEN FOUGHT AGAINST EVIL, ZIONISM AND IMPERIALISM. HE WAS VERY
SUCCESSFUL. HE IS THE PROPHET OF THE DESTRUCTION OF WESTERN
CIVILIZATION.
Post by P-Dub
P-Dub: Islam and honor are opposites. There has never been anything holy
or honorable in Islam, or with it's disgusting pedophile 'prophet' -
Muhammad.
MUSLIMS ARE CONSIDERED THE STANDARD FOR FAITH, TRUSTWORTHINESS AND
HONOR. JEWS AND EVANGELISTS ARE CONSIDERED THE BOTTOM SEDIMENT OF THE
FILTH. YOU ARE "SA'ALEEK" (LOWEST RANK OF HUMANITY.)
Post by P-Dub
www.thereligionofpeace.com
Surfer
2011-05-04 06:26:47 UTC
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On Tue, 3 May 2011 18:36:31 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Post by Aviroce
"JIHAD" IS A WAR OF SELF-DEFENSE.
Attacking US civilians wasn't self defence.

Neither is the following:

Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 220
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.220.html

Allah's Apostle said, "...I have been made victorious with terror..."


http://www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/Default.aspx

Qur'an:8:67 "It is not for any prophet to have captives until he
hath made slaughter in the land......"

Qur'an: 7:4 "How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by
night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them."

Qur'an: 3:151 "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no
warrant hath been revealed..."
Aviroce
2011-05-05 02:33:21 UTC
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On the surface, you sound true. Now let us look below the surface.
All the people killed and injured through the efforts of the Most
Honorable Martyr Osama Bin Laden were part of the SYSTEM. Therefore,
they are enemies of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims. The SYSTEM is
comprised of Zionists and Imperialists who have been killing other
nationals with impunity as USA is the ultimate executive of the United
Nations created to perpetuate USA victory in WWII.

Have you looked at a duck on a pond? It seems peaceful on the
surface. If you go below the surface, you will find how hard the duck
is paddling its feet to move and stay afloat.
Post by Surfer
On Tue, 3 May 2011 18:36:31 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
"JIHAD" IS A WAR OF SELF-DEFENSE.  
Attacking US civilians wasn't self defence.
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 220http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.22...
Allah's Apostle said, "...I have been made victorious with terror..."
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/Default.aspx
Qur'an:8:67     "It is not for any prophet to have captives until he
hath made slaughter in the land......"
Qur'an: 7:4     "How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by
night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them."
Qur'an: 3:151   "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no
warrant hath been revealed..."
Surfer
2011-05-05 23:21:30 UTC
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On Wed, 4 May 2011 19:33:21 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Post by Aviroce
On the surface, you sound true. Now let us look below the surface.
All the people killed and injured through the efforts of the Most
Honorable Martyr Osama Bin Laden were part of the SYSTEM. Therefore,
they are enemies of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims. The SYSTEM is
comprised of Zionists and Imperialists who have been killing other
nationals with impunity as USA is the ultimate executive of the United
Nations created to perpetuate USA victory in WWII.
Most of the people killed in the September 11 attack were office
workers and passegers on aircraft.

So it amounted to an attack on humanity rather than an attack on
Zionists or Imperialists.
Aviroce
2011-05-08 01:21:46 UTC
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THE SYSTEM CONSISTS OF THE GOOD AND THE BAD. BUT ALL ARE PART OF THE
SYSTEM. UNLESS THE SYSTEM CHANGES BAD AND GOOD ARE ENEMIES OF
PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS.
Post by Surfer
On Wed, 4 May 2011 19:33:21 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
On the surface, you sound true.  Now let us look below the surface.
All the people killed and injured through the efforts of the Most
Honorable Martyr Osama Bin Laden were part of the SYSTEM.  Therefore,
they are enemies of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims.  The SYSTEM  is
comprised of Zionists and Imperialists who have been killing other
nationals with impunity as USA is the ultimate executive of the United
Nations created to perpetuate USA victory in WWII.
Most of the people killed in the September 11 attack were office
workers and passegers on aircraft.
So it amounted to an attack on humanity rather than an attack on
Zionists or Imperialists.
Surfer
2011-05-08 15:01:48 UTC
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On Sat, 7 May 2011 18:21:46 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Post by Aviroce
THE SYSTEM CONSISTS OF THE GOOD AND THE BAD. BUT ALL ARE PART OF THE
SYSTEM. UNLESS THE SYSTEM CHANGES BAD AND GOOD ARE ENEMIES OF
PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS.
A system does not have human feelings, so is not an enemy or ally of
anyone.

Besides Arabs and Muslim countries each have their own specific
system. If citizens are unhappy with it, they need to change (or get
their government to change) their particular system.
Aviroce
2011-05-09 05:48:40 UTC
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A System is a collection of people and operations on people. Jewish
System is hostile to Palestinians. The System should be destroyed.
Jews never changed their Apartheid. Destruction is mandatory.
Post by Surfer
On Sat, 7 May 2011 18:21:46 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
THE SYSTEM CONSISTS OF THE GOOD AND THE BAD.  BUT ALL ARE PART OF THE
SYSTEM.  UNLESS THE SYSTEM CHANGES BAD AND GOOD ARE ENEMIES OF
PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS.
A system does not have human feelings, so is not an enemy or ally of
anyone.
Besides Arabs and Muslim countries each have their own specific
system. If citizens are unhappy with it, they need to change (or get
their government to change) their particular system.
Surfer
2011-05-09 14:15:15 UTC
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On Sun, 8 May 2011 22:48:40 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Post by Aviroce
A System is a collection of people and operations on people. Jewish
System is hostile to Palestinians.
Lets look some history:

http://www.esek.com/jerusalem/iudaea.html

<Start extract>

Judea (Iudaea) was the Roman name for the Land of Israel during the
heyday of the Roman Empire. This meant not only the area called Judea
in Israel today; it included the whole area ruled and/or chiefly
inhabited by Jews. We can see this usage in various writers in Latin
and Greek of that period. Consider Pliny, Suetonius, and Tacitus in
Latin, and Plutarch as well as the geographers Strabo and Ptolemy in
Greek. Judea stretched along both sides of the Jordan and included,
besides Judea proper, most of the coastal plain, Samaria, most of the
Galilee, the Golan Heights of today and considerable land to the east
of there (areas called in Latin Gaulanitis [=Golan], Batanaea
[=Bashan], Auranitis [=Hawran], and Trachonitis). The Romans called
this land as a whole Iudaea (from the Greek Ioudaia). The land was
mainly inhabited by Jews and was ruled by Jews. Therefore, Lord Robert
Cecil, acting British foreign secretary, was right to use the name
Judea for the whole land in his famous remark: "Our wish is that
Arabian countries shall be for the Arabs, Armenia for the Armenians,
and Judea for the Jews" (December 2, 1917).

<End extract>

I don't see Palestinians or Palestine mentioned there.
Aviroce
2011-05-10 03:31:47 UTC
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"Roman name for the Land of Israel " Circular definition. You are
saying "Israel is Israel."
Post by Surfer
On Sun, 8 May 2011 22:48:40 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
A System is a collection of people and operations on people.   Jewish
System is hostile to Palestinians.  
http://www.esek.com/jerusalem/iudaea.html
<Start extract>
Judea (Iudaea) was the Roman name for the Land of Israel during the
heyday of the Roman Empire. This meant not only the area called Judea
in Israel today; it included the whole area ruled and/or chiefly
inhabited by Jews. We can see this usage in various writers in Latin
and Greek of that period. Consider Pliny, Suetonius, and Tacitus in
Latin, and Plutarch as well as the geographers Strabo and Ptolemy in
Greek. Judea stretched along both sides of the Jordan and included,
besides Judea proper, most of the coastal plain, Samaria, most of the
Galilee, the Golan Heights of today and considerable land to the east
of there (areas called in Latin Gaulanitis [=Golan], Batanaea
[=Bashan], Auranitis [=Hawran], and Trachonitis). The Romans called
this land as a whole Iudaea (from the Greek Ioudaia). The land was
mainly inhabited by Jews and was ruled by Jews. Therefore, Lord Robert
Cecil, acting British foreign secretary, was right to use the name
Judea for the whole land in his famous remark: "Our wish is that
Arabian countries shall be for the Arabs, Armenia for the Armenians,
and Judea for the Jews" (December 2, 1917).
<End extract>
I don't see Palestinians or Palestine mentioned there.
Surfer
2011-05-11 16:02:23 UTC
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On Mon, 9 May 2011 20:31:47 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Post by Aviroce
"Roman name for the Land of Israel " Circular definition. You are
saying "Israel is Israel."
But there is a significance difference.

Israel is the name of an independent nation.

Palestine is the name the Romans imposed on the area after they
turned Judea/Israel into their colony.

So, people who call themselves Palestinians are identifying with past
colonialism.

But if colonialism is wrong, such people should aspire to a more
positive identity.

Eg if they live in the Land of Israel they perhaps ought to become
supporters of Israel.
Aviroce
2011-05-11 17:20:31 UTC
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I memorized European history book for the General Certificate of
Education from London University. If I remember correctly it was
Frederick who took the last parcel of Poland (See Partitition of
Poland). Then Soviet Union annexed Poland until Lech Walessa, leader
of the labor union, separated Poland from the USSR when the latter was
partitioned. There was one object. Object disappeared. Object
reappeared. The land is the same. But the buildings and roads are
different. That is the story of Palestine.

Palestine is the land of the indigenous population of the people who
occupied it for thousands of years since the Phillistines and then
Kanaanites. Israel is a political entity created in 1948 and will be
decreated soon. I know what you have in mind. Nuclear, chemical and
biological weapons of mass destruction. For a country that small it
is self-destructive. The reason I am advocating the rise of the
Palestinians Resident of Israel against the Jewish hegemony to kill
Jewish families with atrocious savagery, kill their bosses, burn
Jewish businesses, boycott Jewish products, demonstrate against
Apartheid. The idea is to kill Jews and destroy their prospects.
These Palestinians Resident of Israel can be empowered to do these
acts. Imagine Telaviv on fire. West Jerusalem on fire. It is nice to
watch.
Post by Surfer
On Mon, 9 May 2011 20:31:47 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
"Roman name for the Land of Israel "  Circular definition.  You are
saying "Israel is Israel."
But there is a significance difference.
Israel is the name of an independent nation.
Palestine is the name the  Romans imposed on the area after they
turned Judea/Israel into their colony.
So, people who call themselves Palestinians are identifying with past
colonialism.
But if colonialism is wrong, such people should aspire to a more
positive identity.
Eg if they live in the Land of Israel they perhaps ought to become
supporters of Israel.
Surfer
2011-05-12 15:09:04 UTC
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On Wed, 11 May 2011 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
..... I am advocating the rise of the
Palestinians Resident of Israel against the Jewish hegemony to kill
Jewish families with atrocious savagery, kill their bosses, burn
Jewish businesses, boycott Jewish products, demonstrate against
Apartheid. The idea is to kill Jews and destroy their prospects.
These Palestinians Resident of Israel can be empowered to do these
acts. Imagine Telaviv on fire. West Jerusalem on fire. It is nice to
watch.
Maybe for you. But probably not for the majority living in Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#Self-identification

<Start extract>

In a 2006 patriotism survey, 56% of Israeli Arabs were not proud of
their citizenship and 73% were not ready to fight to defend the state,
but 77% said that Israel was better than most other countries and 53%
were proud of the country;'s welfare system. 82% said they would
rather be a citizen of Israel than of any other country in the
world.[67]

<End extract>
Nusrat, Rowayton, Connecticut
2011-05-08 06:33:20 UTC
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Post by Surfer
On Wed, 4 May 2011 19:33:21 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Post by Aviroce
On the surface, you sound true. Now let us look below the surface.
All the people killed and injured through the efforts of the Most
Honorable Martyr Osama Bin Laden were part of the SYSTEM. Therefore,
they are enemies of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims. The SYSTEM is
comprised of Zionists and Imperialists who have been killing other
nationals with impunity as USA is the ultimate executive of the United
Nations created to perpetuate USA victory in WWII.
Dear proponent of Islamic filth, here is a point of fact that has
totally escaped your notice.
The first 150 persons killed at One World Trade Center on 9/11 were
150 Bangladeshi Kitchen staff members.
They were all Muslims and had nothing to do with Palestine or state of
Israel. When I told this to Pakis in Karachi,I was denounced as a
Jewish agent.
Aviroce
2011-05-10 03:29:41 UTC
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Here is my answer you foul mouth.
I would not be surprised that so many Muslims were among the ones
killed. These Muslims became part of the System unwillingly for the
sake of making a living. So they were unwilling targets.But look at
the final outcome. USA and the West went into deep depression and
they are not over that yet. One news reporter put the value at about
two trillion dollars. I put the value at more than Fifty Trillion
dollars. My article calls killing Osama Bina Laden as "Pyrrhic
Victory." Only the Shakespearean Crowd could celebrate it. The
crowd are "sheep" as one cub master told me about Americans. It takes
people like me to tell people like them "Your celebration" is a sign
of "sheepness."


On May 7, 11:33 pm, "Nusrat, Rowayton, Connecticut"
Post by Nusrat, Rowayton, Connecticut
Post by Surfer
On Wed, 4 May 2011 19:33:21 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
On the surface, you sound true.  Now let us look below the surface.
All the people killed and injured through the efforts of the Most
Honorable Martyr Osama Bin Laden were part of the SYSTEM.  Therefore,
they are enemies of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims.  The SYSTEM  is
comprised of Zionists and Imperialists who have been killing other
nationals with impunity as USA is the ultimate executive of the United
Nations created to perpetuate USA victory in WWII.
Dear proponent of Islamic filth, here is a point of fact that has
totally escaped your notice.
The first 150 persons killed at One World Trade Center on 9/11 were
150 Bangladeshi Kitchen staff members.
They were all Muslims and had nothing to do with Palestine or state of
Israel. When I told this to Pakis in Karachi,I was denounced as a
Jewish agent.
William Grosvenor
2011-05-10 14:38:32 UTC
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On Mon, 9 May 2011 20:29:41 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Post by Aviroce
Here is my answer you foul mouth.
I would not be surprised that so many Muslims were among the ones
killed. These Muslims became part of the System unwillingly for the
sake of making a living. So they were unwilling targets.But look at
the final outcome. USA and the West went into deep depression and
they are not over that yet. One news reporter put the value at about
two trillion dollars. I put the value at more than Fifty Trillion
dollars. My article calls killing Osama Bina Laden as "Pyrrhic
Victory." Only the Shakespearean Crowd could celebrate it. The
crowd are "sheep" as one cub master told me about Americans. It takes
people like me to tell people like them "Your celebration" is a sign
of "sheepness."
Navy Seals 1, Usama "Damn, woman, stand still, they're shooting at
me!" bin Ladin 0

The only sheep I know of are the 70 virgin ewes UBL hoped to find in
paradise...alas, he found them all diseased and soaked in pork fat.

Hamas Principles

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter,
given in full below. Following are highlights.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will
obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr,
Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine
is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until
Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or
any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through
Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a
waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the
Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they
will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in
the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is
the best proof of what we are saying."

The charter is a rather classical Islamist document, applied to the
local issues. It declares that Jihad (in the sense of armed battle) is
the only solution. It cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a
ludicrous anti-Semitic forgery.

The "Zionists" and the freemasons and others are blamed for what Hamas
and radical Islamists see as the major calamities of the world,
especially the French Revolution.

One of the most ominous aspects of the Charter however, is this
Hadith:

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if
obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way
of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the
Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's
promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless
him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews
(killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees.
The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew
behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do
that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by
al-Bukhari and Muslim).

The implication is clear: Allah promised that the Jews will be
murdered, and the Hamas "aspires to the realisation of Allah's
promise, no matter how long that should take."

Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood
Some observers deny the relation between the Hamas and the Muslim
Brotherhood. However, the Charter states:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Muslim
Brotherhood in Palestine. Muslim Brotherhood Movement is a universal
organization which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern
times. It is characterised by its deep understanding, accurate
comprehension and its complete embrace of all Islamic concepts of all
aspects of life, culture, creed, politics, economics, education,
society, justice and judgement, the spreading of Islam, education,
art, information, science of the occult and conversion to Islam.

Moreover, the Charter quotes Hassan Al-Banna, a Nazi sympathizer who
founded the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. There is no doubt that the
Hamas views itself as a part of the Muslim Brotherhood and an
ideological heir of al Banna. The Muslim Brotherhood spawned a number
of radical Islamist movements including Al-Qaeda.

Current Hamas Positions
Some analysts insist that the Hamas is becoming more pragmatic in its
ideology following assumption of a political role. The evidence for
this is view is conflicting, and it is beclouded by the practice of
dissemblance that was copied from Al-Banna and Sayyed Qutb. Recent
statements by leaders include the following:

Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas said in his sermon at the Katib Wilayat
mosque in Gaza that "Jews are a people who cannot be trusted. They
have been traitors to all agreements. Go back to history. Their fate
is their vanishing." Ref IHT 1 April 08
Sheik Yunus al-Astal, a Hamas legislator and imam, in a column in the
weekly newspaper Al Risalah in 2008 discussed a Koranic verse
suggesting that "suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world
and the next." Astal concluded "Therefore we are sure that the
Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews.Ref IHT 1 April 08
"We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity" stated Hamas
leader Fathi Hammad in Gaza on Friday January 2nd 2009 - ref -- BBC 2
January 09

In a sermon aired on Hamas' Al-Aqsa television, cleric Yunis Al Astal
stated, "Today, Rome is the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader
capital, which has declared its hostility to Islam, and has planted
the brothers of apes and pigs in Palestine in order to prevent the
reawakening of Islam.
"I believe that our children, or our grandchildren, will inherit our
jihad and our sacrifices, and, Allah willing, the commanders of the
conquest will come from among them"

He maintained that Rome would become, ""an advanced post for the
Islamic conquests, which will spread though Europe in its entirety,
and then will turn to the two Americas, even Eastern Europe." Ref- Fox
14 Apr. 2008

Other statements are more moderate in tone, but Hamas has repeatedly
refused international community demands to recognize the right of
Israel to exist, abrogate its charter and abide by the previous
commitments of the Palestinian Authority
~~
Aviroce
2011-05-13 01:36:46 UTC
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Zionist System consists of all Jews and their rules. Imperialist
System consists of all Americans and their rules including me. You
can find peoples who disagree. But they function in a set of measure
Zero. System wins.
Post by Surfer
On Wed, 4 May 2011 19:33:21 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
On the surface, you sound true.  Now let us look below the surface.
All the people killed and injured through the efforts of the Most
Honorable Martyr Osama Bin Laden were part of the SYSTEM.  Therefore,
they are enemies of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims.  The SYSTEM  is
comprised of Zionists and Imperialists who have been killing other
nationals with impunity as USA is the ultimate executive of the United
Nations created to perpetuate USA victory in WWII.
Most of the people killed in the September 11 attack were office
workers and passegers on aircraft.
So it amounted to an attack on humanity rather than an attack on
Zionists or Imperialists.
Aviroce
2011-05-11 17:26:51 UTC
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I could have been attacked if I was in the Twin Towers and that would
be reasonable. Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims have no grievance
against Americans other than Jews, Jews are evil beings anywhere they
are the unfortunate part is that they enjoy USA citizenship and now
USA uses Zionism to achieve Imperialism. The fight in this case is
against the System. This will be an endless fight.

Once I flew from South Carolina to Houston, Texas to deliver two
speeches to an association conference. When I ended my speech, one of
the people rose and said, "This means the war is endless?" My answer,
"Yes." So long as Jews occupy Palestine, and USA uses Zionism for
Imperialism there will be no peace. Killing will be common place as
it is now and more.
Post by Surfer
On Tue, 3 May 2011 18:36:31 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
"JIHAD" IS A WAR OF SELF-DEFENSE.  
Attacking US civilians wasn't self defence.
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 220http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.22...
Allah's Apostle said, "...I have been made victorious with terror..."
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/Default.aspx
Qur'an:8:67     "It is not for any prophet to have captives until he
hath made slaughter in the land......"
Qur'an: 7:4     "How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by
night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them."
Qur'an: 3:151   "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no
warrant hath been revealed..."
Surfer
2011-05-12 15:12:33 UTC
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On Wed, 11 May 2011 10:26:51 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Jews are evil beings anywhere they are....
You are just being rascist.
Aviroce
2011-05-13 01:39:16 UTC
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Stating a fact is not racist. Anything Jews believe in is racist.
Look at Israel. It is a tyranny, an Apartheid state.
Post by Surfer
On Wed, 11 May 2011 10:26:51 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Jews are evil beings anywhere they are....
You are just being rascist.
Surfer
2011-05-13 05:03:35 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 12 May 2011 18:39:16 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Post by Aviroce
Stating a fact is not racist.
You didn't state a fact.
Post by Aviroce
Anything Jews believe in is racist.
Judaism is the religion of a nation.

If you look at the people who identify with Judaism you will see that
they include many races.

http://www.blackjews.org/

<Start extract>

There was a time when Black Jews were not welcomed in the halls of
power. Those days are gone forever! Today, Rabbi Shmuel Funnye
travels the world meeting heads of state in Israel, Africa, and
America. Most recently he and Miriam went to the Whitehouse to visit
his cousin, Michelle, and her husband, Barack, for their Hanukkah
Party. President Obama told the story of Hanukkah himself and
explained to the assembled guests how much this celebration of freedom
means to him. Rabbi Funnye, who attended a similar ceremony at the
Whitehouse with President George W. Bush said the difference was
“President Obama understands the Israelite Community because he has
family members who are Black and Jewish.

<End extract>
Post by Aviroce
Look at Israel. It is a tyranny, an Apartheid state.
It does not accord rights of citizenship to non-citizens.

No state does that.
Aviroce
2011-05-13 15:20:26 UTC
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Palestinians of 1948 in Israel are non-citizens. Say it again.
Post by Surfer
Post by Aviroce
Stating a fact is not racist.
You didn't state a fact.
Post by Aviroce
Anything Jews believe in is racist.
Judaism is the religion of a nation.
If you look at the people who identify with Judaism you will see that
they include many races.
http://www.blackjews.org/
<Start extract>
There was a time when Black Jews were not welcomed in the halls of
power.  Those days are gone forever!  Today, Rabbi Shmuel Funnye
travels the world meeting heads of state in Israel, Africa, and
America.  Most recently he and Miriam went to the Whitehouse to visit
his cousin, Michelle, and her husband, Barack, for their Hanukkah
Party.  President Obama told the story of Hanukkah himself and
explained to the assembled guests how much this celebration of freedom
means to him. Rabbi Funnye, who attended a similar ceremony at the
Whitehouse with President George W. Bush said the difference was
“President Obama understands the Israelite Community because he has
family members who are Black and Jewish.
<End extract>
Post by Aviroce
Look at Israel.  It is a tyranny, an Apartheid state.
It does not accord rights of citizenship to non-citizens.
No state does that.
Surfer
2011-05-13 17:21:58 UTC
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On Fri, 13 May 2011 08:20:26 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Post by Aviroce
Palestinians of 1948 in Israel are non-citizens. Say it again.
The situation is not so simple.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
".....most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestinian_nationality

<Start extract>

There has never been a sovereign Palestinian authority to explicitly
define who is a Palestinian.

<snip>

The first Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24
July 1925; it was the first official enactment that outlined the legal
definition of a Palestinian. Its first article defined a Palestinian
as a "Turkish subject habitually resident in the territory of
Palestine."

<snip>

Palestinian citzenship during the League of Nations Mandate included
both Arabs and Jews as well as other ethnic groups that resided in the
territory (Druze, Armenians, Circassians, etc). During these decades
Jews embraced the term (the Palestine Post, the Palestine Brewery, the
Palestine Brigades were all Jewish organizations) while the Arabs
generally disdained and distanced themselves from it (arguing that
Palestine was a "Zionist Invention").

<snip>

The creation of the State of Israel coincided with the disintegration
of the pre-existing non-Jewish polity. This meant that Palestinian
Arabs had no citizenship, but could be categorized in 4 ways: 1. Arabs
who remained in Israel; 2. Those who became refugees; 3. Palestinian
Arabs who became citizens of Jordan; and 4. Arabs who remained in or
relocated to the Gaza Strip. Palestinians then ceased to be only
Palestinian, but were either Israeli-Palestinians; Jordanian
Palestinians, United Nations Relief and Works Agency-Palestinians, and
Gaza-Palestinians.[5]

<End extract>
Aviroce
2011-05-15 01:41:08 UTC
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Sartre in Being and Nothingness, "This is the paper. I cannot go in
it. I have to learn it. It forces itself on me." Legal definitions
vary with political entities. What is fixed and the UN supports that
is the indigenous population. In our issue these are called
Palestinians and they are the indigenous population of Palestine. You
have to learn that. It forces itself on you. These are the facts and
they are incontrovertible.
Post by Surfer
On Fri, 13 May 2011 08:20:26 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Palestinians of 1948 in Israel are non-citizens.  Say it again.
The situation is not so simple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
".....most Arabs remaining in Israel were granted citizenship..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestinian_nationality
<Start extract>
There has never been a sovereign Palestinian authority to explicitly
define who is a Palestinian.
<snip>
The first Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24
July 1925; it was the first official enactment that outlined the legal
definition of a Palestinian. Its first article defined a Palestinian
as a "Turkish subject habitually resident in the territory of
Palestine."
<snip>
Palestinian citzenship during the League of Nations Mandate included
both Arabs and Jews as well as other ethnic groups that resided in the
territory (Druze, Armenians, Circassians, etc). During these decades
Jews embraced the term (the Palestine Post, the Palestine Brewery, the
Palestine Brigades were all Jewish organizations) while the Arabs
generally disdained and distanced themselves from it (arguing that
Palestine was a "Zionist Invention").
<snip>
The creation of the State of Israel coincided with the disintegration
of the pre-existing non-Jewish polity. This meant that Palestinian
Arabs had no citizenship, but could be categorized in 4 ways: 1. Arabs
who remained in Israel; 2. Those who became refugees; 3. Palestinian
Arabs who became citizens of Jordan; and 4. Arabs who remained in or
relocated to the Gaza Strip. Palestinians then ceased to be only
Palestinian, but were either Israeli-Palestinians; Jordanian
Palestinians, United Nations Relief and Works Agency-Palestinians, and
Gaza-Palestinians.[5]
<End extract>
Aviroce
2011-05-13 15:25:28 UTC
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Judaism used to be a religion. Now it is racism depending on DNA.
What you are pointing to is another exploitation of black Americans,
you moved from slavery to political exploitation. The same
exploitation occurred when the vote to create Israel in 1948. The got
a blackman, in these days blacks were nobody, to convince African
representatives to vote for Israel. The crucial last vote was black.
Now you are buying a black "rabbi" (false rabbi) to sell Jews to
American blacks. Beleive me blacks hate Jews.
Post by Surfer
Post by Aviroce
Stating a fact is not racist.
You didn't state a fact.
Post by Aviroce
Anything Jews believe in is racist.
Judaism is the religion of a nation.
If you look at the people who identify with Judaism you will see that
they include many races.
http://www.blackjews.org/
<Start extract>
There was a time when Black Jews were not welcomed in the halls of
power.  Those days are gone forever!  Today, Rabbi Shmuel Funnye
travels the world meeting heads of state in Israel, Africa, and
America.  Most recently he and Miriam went to the Whitehouse to visit
his cousin, Michelle, and her husband, Barack, for their Hanukkah
Party.  President Obama told the story of Hanukkah himself and
explained to the assembled guests how much this celebration of freedom
means to him. Rabbi Funnye, who attended a similar ceremony at the
Whitehouse with President George W. Bush said the difference was
“President Obama understands the Israelite Community because he has
family members who are Black and Jewish.
<End extract>
Post by Aviroce
Look at Israel.  It is a tyranny, an Apartheid state.
It does not accord rights of citizenship to non-citizens.
No state does that.
Surfer
2011-05-13 18:47:09 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 13 May 2011 08:25:28 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Post by Aviroce
Judaism used to be a religion. Now it is racism depending on DNA.
http://judaism.about.com/od/whoisajew/a/whoisjewdescent.htm

<Start extract>

In 1983, the Reform movement .... decided to accept people who were
raised as Jews, such as adopted children, even if it was not certain
that either of their parents were Jewish.

<End extract>
Post by Aviroce
What you are pointing to is another exploitation of black Americans,
you moved from slavery to political exploitation. The same
exploitation occurred when the vote to create Israel in 1948. The got
a blackman, in these days blacks were nobody, to convince African
representatives to vote for Israel. The crucial last vote was black.
Now you are buying a black "rabbi" (false rabbi) to sell Jews to
American blacks. Beleive me blacks hate Jews.
Yet Barack Obama's father took a Jewish woman as his third wife.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4067143,00.html
Aviroce
2011-05-15 01:46:11 UTC
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Jews are particular about the mother being Jewish as she is the DNA
needed to establish the continuity of the Jewish race if that can be
said. If you search my name, last name, you will find it Jewish,
Christian, Muslim and none of the above.. But the family name is
rooted in Jewish and Islamic cultures. People are mixed. Only Jews
feel they are constant.
Post by Surfer
On Fri, 13 May 2011 08:25:28 -0700 (PDT), Aviroce
Judaism used to be a religion.  Now it is racism depending on DNA.
http://judaism.about.com/od/whoisajew/a/whoisjewdescent.htm
<Start extract>
In 1983, the Reform movement .... decided to accept people who were
raised as Jews, such as adopted children, even if it was not certain
that either of their parents were Jewish.
<End extract>
What you are pointing to is another exploitation of black Americans,
you moved from slavery to political exploitation.  The same
exploitation occurred when the vote to create Israel in 1948.  The got
a blackman, in these days blacks were nobody, to convince African
representatives to vote for Israel.  The crucial last vote was black.
Now you are buying a black "rabbi" (false rabbi) to sell Jews to
American blacks.  Beleive me blacks hate Jews.
Yet Barack Obama's father took a Jewish woman as his third wife.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4067143,00.html
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