Discussion:
The Tantura Evidence
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HHW
2011-12-15 17:43:15 UTC
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"I have no doubt a massacre took place in Tantura. I did not walk in
the streets and shout it. It is not a case for any pride. But once the
affair was publicized, one should tell the truth. After 52 years, the
state of Israel is strong and mature enough to face its past." (Eli
Shimoni, former Senior Officer in the Alexandroni Brigade, 4 February
2000)
HHW
2011-12-15 19:58:56 UTC
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On Dec 15, 11:43 am, HHW <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

"On 10 March 1946, the Haganah issued a military blueprint for the
situation after the British relinquished their Mandate and left the
country. .....Plans A, B and C had formulated earlier Zionist strategy
vis-a-vis an unfolding and changing reality. Plan D was in essence a
scheme for taking over by force the areas allocated by the UN (Gen.
Assembly) to the Jewish state, as well as additional territories
designated for the Arab state.....The plan instructed Jewish forces to
cleanse the Palestinian areas falling under their control. The Haganah
had several brigades at its disposal, and each received a list of
villages it had to occupy. Most of the villages were destined to be
destroyed; only in excetional cases were the troos ordered to leave
them intact. 1

"One of these brigades, the Alexandroni Brigade, was entrusted with
such a list. Its mission was to Judaise the coastal plain containing
about 64 Palestinian villages....(including Tantura)

"By 15 May 1948, the day the Jewish state was declared, 58 villages
had already been erased from the earth. Six remained intact. Three of
them....would be destroyed in July of that year. Two, lying about 20
miles south of Haifa remain today. They provided cheap labor to the
veteran Jewish settlements of Zichron Yaacov and Binyamina and were
spared. 2 Tantura, the largest of the six remaining villages, was
located in the middle of Jewish territory like a 'bone in the throat',
according to the Alexandroni official account of the war. On May 22nd
its day came....

"On the night of 22 May 1948 the village was attacked."
dsharavi
2011-12-15 21:37:34 UTC
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Post by HHW
Plans A, B and C had formulated earlier Zionist strategy
vis-a-vis an unfolding and changing reality. Plan D was
in essence a scheme for taking over by force the areas
allocated by the UN (Gen. Assembly) to the Jewish state,
as well as additional territories designated for the Arab
state.....The plan instructed Jewish forces to
cleanse the Palestinian areas falling under their control.
MOTSS via profession feuilletonists Ilan Pappe and Walid Khalidi,
neither of whom believe in facts.

"Although it provided for counter-attacks, Plan Dalet was a defensive
scheme and its goals were (1) protection of the borders of the
upcoming Jewish state according to the partition line; (2) securing
its territorial continuity in the face of invasion attempts; (3)
safeguarding freedom of movement on the roads and (4) enabling
continuation of essential daily routines."
Yoav Gelber, Palestine 1948: War, Escape And The Emergence Of The
Palestinian Refugee problem (2006). p 303

"The essence of the plan was the clearing of hostile and
potentially hostile forces out of the interior of the territory of the
prospective Jewish State, establishing territorial continuity between
the major concentrations of Jewish population and securing the future
State's borders before, and in anticipation of, the invasion [by Arab
states]."
"The plan was neither understood nor used by the senior field
officers as a blanket instruction for the expulsion of 'the Arabs'....
[D]uring April–June, relatively few commanders faced the moral dilemma
of having to carry out the expulsion clauses. Townspeople and
villagers usually left their homes before or during battle"
Benny Morris. The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited
(2004), pp 164,165

Windsor Daily Star
Dec 2, 1947

URGES ARABS
TO BE READY
----------------------------
Azzam Promises
Arms In Abundance
----------------------------
By Associated Press

CAIRO - Thousands of Egyp-
tians, demonstrating today against
the impending partition of Pales-
tine, were promised "an abund-
ance of arms" by Abdel Rahman
Azzam Pasha, secretary general of
the Arab League of seven middle
eastern states.

SMASH SHOPS

The riotous demonstrators, some
of whom smashed windows of for-
eign owned shops, stoned an
Egyptian owned night club and
wrecked posters advertising for-
eign movies and American soft
drinks, arrived at Arab League
headquarters shouting:
"We want war, Azzam; we
want weapons, Azzam; we want
revolution, Azzam."
Azzam urged the demonstrators
to organize and work quietly and
to refrain from violence against
Christians. He said they should
prepare for a long struggle to
achieve Arab aims.
"We are determined to liberate
Palestine ......
[CONT'D]


PALESTINE ARABS
LOOT, KILL, BURN;
JEWS RETALIATING
----------------------------
"Illegal" Hagana Armed Forces
On Guard; Zionists Cheer British
----------------------------
By United Press

JERUSALEM -- Arabs today began a three-day general
strike with a burst of stabbings, shootings, arson and mob
violence that forced the Jewish underground to line up
with the British for the first time to try to maintain order.

ONE JEW DEAD

Arab mobs storms through Jeru-
salem's streets, smashing stores,
stealing an estimated $1,000,000
worth of Jewish property, and at-
tacking Jews wherever they were
found.
A Jewish mob formed, and,
shouting "Revenge! Revenge!"
started for the Arabs. The Jews,
however, were turned back by
British police assisted by mem-
bers of the Hagana Jewish
underground.
No human force, however, could
keep all the Jews and Arabs sepa-
rated, and five hours of disturb-
ances left one Jew dead, at least 20
wounded, and several Arabs
wounded. Among the Jews suffer-
ing serious stab wounds was a cor-
respondent for the British Reuters
News Agency.
Seven Jews and seven Arabs had
died in previous disturbances
touched off by the United Nations vote
to establish a Jewish state in Pal-
estine.

SHOPS BURNING

Police reported "all quiet" in
Jerusalem at 3 p.m., but an hour
later an Arab mob attacked the
Jewish quarter of Montefiore, de-
fended by 200 members of Hagana.
In the fighting, police were
stoned and clubbed. They used
tear gas. An armored car ran
down and seriously injured an
Arab youth.
Burning Jewish shops sent smoke
billowing over the Holy City short-
ly after the start of the Arab strike,
which was billed as a peaceful
demonstration against the United
Nations decision to partition Pal-
See HAGANA--Page 2
mirjam
2011-12-16 04:25:24 UTC
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Post by HHW
"I have no doubt a massacre took place in Tantura. I did not walk in
the streets and shout it. It is not a case for any pride. But once the
affair was publicized, one should tell the truth. After 52 years, the
state of Israel is strong and mature enough to face its past." (Eli
Shimoni, former Senior Officer in the Alexandroni Brigade, 4 February
2000)
Teddy Katz whose supposedly researched the story, was proved to be
wrong IN COURT.
His thesis was paid for by the Orient house , the headquarters of the
late Faisal Al-Husseini
i have met both.
mirjam
NefeshBarYochai
2011-12-16 04:32:08 UTC
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Post by mirjam
Post by HHW
"I have no doubt a massacre took place in Tantura. I did not walk in
the streets and shout it. It is not a case for any pride. But once the
affair was publicized, one should tell the truth. After 52 years, the
state of Israel is strong and mature enough to face its past." (Eli
Shimoni, former Senior Officer in the Alexandroni Brigade, 4 February
2000)
Teddy Katz whose supposedly researched the story, was proved to be
wrong IN COURT.
His thesis was paid for by the Orient house , the headquarters of  the
late Faisal  Al-Husseini
i have met both.
mirjam
Sorry to hear that. Were there any side-affects?
dsharavi
2011-12-16 06:22:56 UTC
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Post by mirjam
Post by HHW
"I have no doubt a massacre took place in Tantura. I did not walk in
the streets and shout it. It is not a case for any pride. But once the
affair was publicized, one should tell the truth. After 52 years, the
state of Israel is strong and mature enough to face its past." (Eli
Shimoni, former Senior Officer in the Alexandroni Brigade, 4 February
2000)
Teddy Katz whose supposedly researched the story, was proved to be
wrong IN COURT.
His thesis was paid for by the Orient house , the headquarters of  the
late Faisal  Al-Husseini
i have met both.
mirjam
One can see that this alleged "quote" is fictional. One, the only
source is two Ilan Pappe pieces. Two, Pappe gives no source for his
alleged quote. Three, he can't even give "Shimoni"'s exact rank, other
than "Senior Officer". Of which battalion?

It's just another bag of fart from Pappe.

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